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xInitialz_ · Feb 22, 2012, 09:19 AM // 09:19

how can i reach gaile gray?? where did she post this stuff? i have name(s) to submit.
will need to check my screenies

Linksys · Feb 22, 2012, 09:22 AM // 09:22

If anyone did actually duplicate items and did it on purpose, a ban would be up to whoever at Anet is deciding on that. But for disconnecting a district of people for the fun of it, I think a suspension is a better course of action. I'm not admitting to purposefully doing that by saying that. I didn't know I disconnected a district of Embark Beach. And I did explain what happened and I hope a chat log doesn't incriminate me. I also later joked saying don't do this and that, basically explaining how to do the bug crash. And it was foolish of me. I wasn't trying to make people utilize this tactic. I guess my mind was on joking around. I hope that doesn't get me banned.

I'm not downplaying anything I did. I'm being completely honest.

spun ducky · Feb 22, 2012, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Krystal

I agree with banning people who "exploited" the situation, but Anet has to take some responsibility here, don't they?

That is just it this wasn't so much an exploit but rather anet's code out right failing to function properly. If you went to observe a match no secret codes or tricks just press b and observe the district would crash. The amount of innocent players that would be banned who didn't even know why they kept crashing when trying to observe would be far too many.

Linksys · Feb 22, 2012, 09:31 AM // 09:31

True, it is Anet's code or whatever term applies that started all this. At some point, with people disconnecting when trying to watch a HoH battle, someone must have realized that outpost districts were being disconnected because of that. I read somewhere, here or in local chat at Embark Beach, that the discovery took place in a guild hall. And I suppose word got out and it snowballed from there. Anyways, Anet should see that when this happens, human nature will happen and people can get mischief. There is curiosity and excitement when realizing you can do something out of the ordinary. It's not an excuse to crash outpost districts excessively or, if it really is possible, use it to duplicate stacks of ectos. But for the casual district crashers who did it a few times, I can't fault them really. Especially those who have been playing this game constantly for years and the actions of switching districts and outposts and perceived limits gets repeated in their thinking so many times. Finally something weird happens and they have some control over it or can cause something to happen.

Let's say someone found a hidden tunnel that was hard to find. But happened upon it and found that it spans the length of a major freeway. And that person can use it during heavy traffic hours and drive 80 mph unhindered. And finds that the tunnel has other entrances and exits that are hidden and he or she is able to use them secretly. And that person won't be caught or thinks he or she won't be caught. What do you think that person will do?

Spiritz · Feb 22, 2012, 10:16 AM // 10:16

Wow i go out for the night and miss all the action.
But Gaile is right - honestly when someone says in local press alt+f4 does everyone do it - is everyone that stupid ?
Does the players who see everyone else doing it follow suit - does it not occur to them that thay may/will be found out ?
Come on guys - crashing servers on gw doesnt spoil the game for a few players but spoils it for almost everyone , think also how many new players could have been put off -" gw is such a nice looking game but it seems to crash a lot so im k off too WoW or whatever" .
GW is half represented by anet & co and the rest by us - and probably out of the 2 sides its us the players who help promote the game and its gameplay .
On a lighter note - with all the dc`s i wonder how many bots lost their owners money etc in pvp.

Swingline · Feb 22, 2012, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Krystal

Awesome, I missed the whole thing so I guess I'm safe.

Yes, people can be totally stupid so this will always be the "knee jerk reaction". The onus really comes back to the company that made the product, to ensure that if this(or any other possible issue) was to happen there would be no ill effects to the end user. That is what product testing is for, isn't it? I agree with banning people who "exploited" the situation, but Anet has to take some responsibility here, don't they?

Just my 2 cents.

~Andy~

That analogy is totally fail on her part. Sticking your finger into an active light socket bring physical discomfort, disconnecting an entire district of people in an online video game does not.

Anyways I agree with spun ducky, its Anets code outright failing. No reason anyone should be perma banned.

MithranArkanere · Feb 22, 2012, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Yes, there's a reason.

The rules of conduct clearly states that exploiting bugs and griefing players is prohibited.

If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is?
The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it.

The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame.
Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse.

So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours.

Kunder · Feb 22, 2012, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Yes, there's a reason.

The rules of conduct clearly states that exploiting bugs and griefing players is prohibited.

If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is?
The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it.

The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame.
Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse.

So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours.

Now all we need to be able to do is master the art of mind reading and we can punish the evildoers.

Missing HB · Feb 22, 2012, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

So if you triggered the bug by mistake, it's just ANet's fault. But if you use it to grief others, it's mostly yours.

Exactly this.. However, if someone is able to make the servor crash, then he got a control on the game and it's quite forbidden and that's why they have such a reaction... I'd say players are responsible on this part...

But, if they did really ban in the past what should have been a bannable offense( i.e multi launch obvious abuses, matchs manipulations, bots , etc.., basically doing their job)instead of acting like " lalalalalalala" when everyone complained, people would have think twice before testing it out i guess...

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 22, 2012, 01:26 PM // 13:26

PLEASE REMOVE THE NAMES OF PEOPLE COUNTING DOWN ETC AND POST THEM IN A (PRIVATE MESSAGE) TO GAILE GRAY ON THE GUILD WARS SUPPORT FORUMS IMMEDIATELY. YOU COULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR ANOTHER VIOLATION IF NOT REMOVED THE NAMES FROM THIS POST

the 007 error was on account of an exploitable bug causing the server in a specific district.

StormDragonZ · Feb 22, 2012, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Can someone give me a concise description on what exactly happened besides a significant number of people getting Error 007'd often?

clear · Feb 22, 2012, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

Can someone give me a concise description on what exactly happened besides a significant number of people getting Error 007'd often?

That is pretty much it... you can get a better idea by reading the first 3-6 posts.

Da Kenster · Feb 22, 2012, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

Can someone give me a concise description on what exactly happened besides a significant number of people getting Error 007'd often?

Basically what happened is if you tried to observe the last Hall of Heroes match (and in some instances people reported GvG matches had the same effect) you dced everyone in the district, including yourself. When this was discovered, of course some people tested it to ascertain the veracity of it, while others took it upon themselves to grief others by dcing districts, often with a countdown leading up to the dc. This was an obvious issue of people trolling entire districts, and so the observer mode was shut down until they figured out what happened.

Perhaps of greater consequence is that this happening led to people losing items they had recently obtained, and even the possibility of people duping items. If the latter is true, the hour or so in which people could have used this exploit could have led to duplication of numerous items in high amounts. For this obvious reason they are banning and investigating people who took advantage of the exploit as well as people who were griefing other players.

Hope that helps describe some of what occurred.

Swingline · Feb 23, 2012, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

If a policeman makes a mistake and forget his gun on a donut stand and someone grabs it and robs the donut stand with it, whose fault it is?
The policeman has part of the fault for making the mistake, but if you could measure 'fault', it wouldn't even be half of it.

The one picking the gun and using it is the one that is most to blame.
Mistakes may always happen, but evil done on purpose has not excuse.

1) The perpetrator would not get the death penalty, he would get 20 years at most then be released.

2) The cop would have been held responsible for leaving his gun lying around, get fired or even see jail time for his negligence because something like this is bound to happen.

This event was like someone leaving a bunch of water balloons lying around and throwing them at random people for shits and giggles.

People didn't lose items or money outright. All the DCs did was rollback to the point where you had your item or money back.

Tullzinski · Feb 23, 2012, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by PurpleFission

Well personally i hope noone gets banned >.>........................

Funny you would say that, I saw a screenshot of someone with your guildtag doing the countdown in kamadan to crash the server and people begging him to stop it. So I hope he gets banned hard!

I hope they ban your whole guild to boot!

Swingline · Feb 23, 2012, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Funny you would say that, I saw a screenshot of someone with your guildtag doing the countdown in kamadan to crash the server and people begging him to stop it. So I hope he gets banned hard!

I hope they ban your whole guild to boot!

Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.

Tullzinski · Feb 23, 2012, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.

Why are you compairing the real world to the game?

This is about Guild Wars the game and screwing with everyone on purpose in the game and I hope the receive the full punishment in the game. Everyone who was kicked out of the game because of ppl like that deserve to be angry and I hope they form an angry mob and demand banning of the guilty players.

How it is significant/insignificant to the real world does not matter.

And after reading all your replies in this thread it makes me wonder if you will be banned also? You almost fit the profile...

Linksys · Feb 23, 2012, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Swingline

Well aren't you ready to join the angry mob. It scares me to know how much blood you want for an act so insignificant in the world.

I agree with Swingline here. Not only did I see a mischief nature in some people in the game when this was happening, I see people who want to see lots of people get banned. Arrest him, jail her, imprison that person, fine him, penalize that guy, prosecute those people, kick out those guys.

Lanier · Feb 23, 2012, 04:15 AM // 04:15

this seems like a really insignificant issue, and certainly one not worthy of a permaban. A temporary ban seems like a more reasonable punishment.

Linksys · Feb 23, 2012, 05:04 AM // 05:04

I agree with that also. If it can be looked into and seen that beyond the shadow of a doubt someone was doing this excessively and on purpose, a temporary suspension would be better. IMO. Sure it disconnected other people from the game and people at Anet may be very bothered by that. But it was from some faulty programming or whatever term applies on the part of Anet.